Before we discuss the works of historical fiction set in the ancient world that youâve recommended, I was going to ask you what makes a good historical novel. Youâve got to get people back in time, in a convincing way, and there are all sorts of ways of doing that. But maybe a more interesting question is what the absolute âmustnât dosâ are. Is the use of archaic speech, for instance, a no-no? Or do some people do that very well?
No, they donât. I think thereâs a whole frightening list of mustnât-do things for writing a historical novel. The first failure would be just not doing enough research and getting the basic things wrong. When I say the basic things, I mean the externals: clothes, food, weapons. If you get those wrong and dates wrong, it shatters the readerâs illusion of the novelistâs mastery over what theyâre doing.
What really irritates me isâand itâs quite a big trend in modern historical fiction, and especially in modern historical fiction set in the classical worldâis making no allowances for the mentalities and attitudes and values of another culture being different from ours. We end up with novels where a perfectly modern person with all our Western liberal attitudes and values ends up wearing a toga. It really, really grates with me. I think itâs insulting, both to us and to the past. You know the famous clichĂŠ: âThe past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.â People in the past didnât have our attitudes to violence, women, foreigners, sexâyou name it.
Yes, theyâre often similar to us but, at the same time, theyâre as alien as a tribe in the Amazonian jungle. Anachronistic thinking is the thing that really grinds my gears, and itâs the thing I come across more and more. I think most novelists now do make an effort to get the externals right and, on the whole, they do get them right. Itâs the mentalitĂŠ they get totally wrong. I think thatâs one of the biggest no-nos, for me.
Thatâs very interesting. I can imagine there could be quite a lot of pressure on novelists to ensure that they donât frighten the modern horses too much by talking in unwoke terms about all those things you just mentioned.
Absolutely. The whole woke debate about whether a novelist can ever write through the point of view of someone else threatens to destroy historical fiction entirely. I wouldnât have written a single novel because Iâm not a Roman, Iâm not a Greek, Iâm certainly not a Germanic barbarian whoâs become Romanized. Iâm none of these things. Iâve written from points of view of women, of men, people of a different sexuality to me, and those of a different religionâI was just pausing there because actually, Iâm an atheist. I canât remember whether Iâve had any atheist characters in my books yet.
For a polytheist, it would have been a slightly bizarre term.
Weâll be talking about Gore Vidalâs Julian. Pagans regarded Christians as atheists because they denied that there were any gods but their one.
Letâs get into the books. The first historical novel set in ancient times that youâve chosen to recommend is The Persian Boy by Mary Renault.
Iâve put them not in order of date of publication, but in chronology of when they were set. The Persian Boy by Mary Renault is the earliest. Looking at them now it strikes me that they were all published in quite a narrow window between 1960 and 1972, with Mary Renault the last to be published. It was obviously a golden age of fiction, but that wasnât in my thinking at all when I picked them.
So, this one is set in the time of Alexander the Great.
The Persian Boy is the story of the last seven years of Alexander the Greatâs life. Itâs told through the eyes of Bagoas, the Persian boy. What it does superbly well, and makes it stand out from almost any other historical novel, is the way it recreates not just one ancient culture, but two, because youâve got the Macedonians viewed through the eyes of a Persian. It works. Both are utterly convincing. Itâs also an incredibly clever technical device, and one from which Iâve learned an awful lot. Because Bagoas, the Persian boy, is a eunuch, and a concubine at first of the Persian kingâs and then of Alexanderâs, heâs an outsider to the Macedonians. So the Macedonians are strange to him. The things they do make him think, and he comments on them. Itâs an incredibly clever device. What happens all too much in historical fiction is that you have two Romans, theyâre both Roman senators, they walk out of the senate house and then, in the fiction, they turn to each other and explain in great detail how the Roman Republic works. But they would have already known how it works: why do they say it? Having this device of the outsider as a main character gives the novelist the chance to actually tell the reader things and show the reader things without it seeming laboured and forced and never veering into the dreaded âinfo dumpâ, which often crops up.
âTheyâre often similar to us but, at the same time, theyâre as alien as a tribe in the Amazonian jungleâ
Another fascinating thing about The Persian Boy is her hero. Bagoas is a eunuch. Heâs had a very bad life. He is a concubine of two kings. Heâs the antithesis of the traditional hero of a historical novel. Heâs not brave, he doesnât have a great sense of justice. Heâs actually rather cowardly, rather sneaky. He is, in many ways, not a terribly likeable person. But somehow Renault manages to make him intensely sympathetic to the reader. Itâs not just because heâs had such a bad start to his life. He does have redeeming qualities: his loyalty and his love for Alexander make up for all the scheming, the plotting and the weakness. So I think thatâs another great strength of this book.
Iâve read this book twice, first when I was a schoolboy at an English public school. I found it quite disturbing because it was the first book Iâd ever read that dealt with male-male sexuality. And published in 1972âI mean, back then, to be openly gay was a very rare choice and a very brave thing to do. So I think now we have to remember that this was a very daring novel. It explores sexuality. This is something the classical world is very good for. A lot of fiction has used the ancient world to explore contemporary issues of sexualityâbut through the lens of Greece or Rome, not Macedonia or Persia. Thatâs another thing that makes this book stand out.
Letâs move on to John Jamesâs novel, Votan.
For me, Votan, published in 1966, is an object lesson of how the quality of a book has absolutely no bearing on its success whatsoever. John Jones is a brilliant writer, I think Votan is a great bookâand it is completely and utterly forgotten. Iâve only ever seen one living writer mention John James, which oddly enough was Neil Gaiman, who absolutely raves about him. But apart from Neil Gaiman and me, it seems no one in the world reads John James anymore.
In what period of ancient history is the novel set?
Votan is a novel about a Greek merchant called Photinus, who travels outside the Roman Empire sometime in the Antonine peace, probably late first, early second century AD. He travels into Germany and north to the Baltic. Itâs an adventure novel. Whatâs very clever about it is that the adventures that Photinus has form the nucleus of the Norse sagas. In a sense, he becomes Votan (or Woden) the All-Father, and his settlement becomes Asgard. What happened to it becomes RagnarĂśk, the death of the gods. There is an incredibly clever literary play with the Norse sagas going on throughout this book. Now for me, as a historian, this smacks of The Golden Bough by James George Frazer or Robert Gravesâs Greek Myths, that searching of every myth for a kernel of real historical truth. That couldnât be less fashionable in modern scholarship. In a way, I ought to absolutely loathe this book, but I donât, I love it because itâs so exciting and so well written.
Thereâs one other thing to draw out about this book. Like Mary Renault, James manages to recreate an alien thought world, but he does it in a different way. With Mary Renault, you get that brilliant layering and texturing of historical detail that reminds me of Patrick OâBrian and his Jack Aubrey and Steven Maturin novels, that building up of a believable world with layer after layer, detail after detail. John James in Votan doesnât do that. What he does is a more broad-brush approach where everything is just like us, but slightly offset and strange. It works really, really well.
Next up is Family Favourites by Alfred Duggan. Whatâs the ancient historical context for this novel?
Itâs a novel about the Roman emperor Heliogabalus. Heâs viewed through the eyes of a fairly staid, fairly conventional Gallic Roman nobleman. This is one of the very few books that actually changed my life. I read it when I was an undergraduate. Itâs the first time Iâd ever heard of the emperor Heliogabalus, also known as Elagabalus. I became fascinated by him and actually did my masterâs thesis on him. I then applied to Cambridge and Oxford to do my doctorate on him. At that point, writing a biography was very unfashionable in academe, so I ended up writing about the sources that wrote about him instead of about him. But Iâm just finishing a book with the not-at-all-shouty title of The Mad Emperor Heliogabalus and the Decadence of Rome. My original working title was Sex and Death: Heliogabalus and the Decadence of Rome, but my publisher changed it.
So this is a book that really interested me in a period of history that otherwise I wouldnât have known. Whatâs so good about this novelâand, indeed, all Alfred Dugganâs novels, he wrote an awful lot of them, nonfiction tooâis that although he didnât really engage all that much with contemporary scholarship, he did read all the primary sources and thought about them. That really shines through at the level of day-to-day life. Itâs a theme I keep going back to, the attitudes and mentalities of the characters. He somehow recreates them in a believable way, even though they are sometimes a little ChristianâDuggan himself was a very devout Catholic, a convert. There is a sort of morality and a duty to his characters, but he managed to shape that into the morality and duty of the times he writes about.
Itâs also interesting because Alfred Duggan when he was in his heyday was a genre novelist, but he wrote so well that lots and lots of literary novelists admired him enormously, including Evelyn Waugh. Heâs one of those novelists, a bit like Mary Renault or Patrick OâBrian, who stopped being regarded as a genre novelist in that slightly dismissive way and was just thought of as a novelist.
He was a friend of Evelyn Waughâs.
Yes he was part of what is now called the âBrideshead setâ.
Historically, what was remarkable about Heliogabalus?
Heliogabalus was a 13- or 14-year-old boy from a Syrian family when, in AD218, his grandmother engineered a civil war that put him on the throne. She clearly wanted him to be a puppet ruler. Sheâs an elderly woman. Sheâs lived at the imperial court for almost half a century, and she wanted someone to rule through. Unfortunately, her grandson wasnât that amenable. He was an absolute devotee of a Syrian god called Elagabal, and he ignored every duty of being Roman emperor in favour of worshipping his god, which was a huge black stone. He carted it all the way from what is now Homs to Rome. He installed it at the head of the Roman pantheon and married a vestal virgin. He offended traditional Roman and religious sentiment in every way he could. If there was a social barrier, a no-no, he went ahead and did it, whether in religion, in politics, or sexuality. He was an extraordinary figure and he makes a great lens through which to view the Romans. You can almost work out what normal Roman attitudes to anything were by looking at what Heliogabalus didâand it will be the opposite. Heâs fascinating.
Now, for some of the wilder fringes of the LGBTQ+ community, he has become something of an icon. That only really works if you concentrate on his sexuality and the fact he may have wanted a sex changeâand ignore the fact that he was massively irresponsible and exceedingly violent.
Which of these aspects appealed to Alfred Duggan as a devout Catholic?
Itâs hard to say. Duggan was very influenced by the late 19th century Decadent movement, which had already reclaimed Heliogabalus, not as a perverted madman or religious nutter, but as the ultimate aesthete. I think it was that that really caught Dugganâs attention, especially as he moved in Harold Actonâs aesthetic set in Oxford.
Letâs move on to Gore Vidal, who was a prolific writer and not just of historical fiction. Tell me about Julian.Â
Gore Vidalâs Julian is about the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate. Julian was emperor from 361 to 363 AD and attempted to turn the empire back from Christianity to paganism. It is very much a literary novel. It has quite a complex structure whereby it starts with letters between Libanius and Priscusâtwo real pagan intellectualsâwho write to each other about Julian after the emperorâs death. Then it shifts into a manuscript that one of them has miraculously got in Julianâs own words, which takes us up to Julianâs death. Then it shifts back to the two men writing to each other.
I think its key theme is the impact of Christianity and, in many ways, it is a deeply anti-Christian novel. At the heart of that is a protest against the way Christianity altered the sexuality of the ancient world, not just with its antipathy to homosexuality, but its loathing of the body and sex. Thatâs the core of the novel.
Itâs a very rare novel because what weâve got here is a very established literary novelist turning out a historical novel set in the ancient world. Usually, when this happens, the result is absolutely awful because the literary novelist already sees themself as an established commentator on the human condition, so doesnât feel the need to actually bother to do any work and get anything right. They also almost always, like the worst of genre novelists, fall into the trap of assuming their charactersâin this case Romansâwere just like them. There are endless examples of this, which Gore Vidal managed to avoid. He was keenly intelligent and had enough empathy to realise the people he was writing about werenât just Gore Vidal dressed up in Roman costume.
Letâs go on to Wallace Breemâs Eagle in the Snow.Â
This is the most lowbrow of the five novels Iâve picked. It really is a genre novel. I tend to dislike and dismiss the concept of genre. Iâm always quoting John Banville, the Booker Prize winner, who was once criticised for writing detective stories. He said that genre doesnât exist; thereâs just good writing and bad writing. But Wallace Breem was a genre writer. His story is about a man called Maximusâby the way, there are far too many characters in ancient historical fiction called Maximus: I know, Iâve done it myself once or twice.
I was wondering whether this novel had been the basis for the film Gladiator with Russell Crowe, where heâs called Maximus.
Worryingly enough, the germ of the idea for Gladiator came from a novel called Those About to Die by Daniel P. Mannix. It is widely regarded as being the worst novel ever written set in the ancient world. It is abysmally bad. Its opening paragraph has the Roman Empire âcoming apart like an unraveling sweater.â
In Eagle in the Snow, Maximus, a Roman general whoâs a pagan, is given the impossible task of defending the Rhine frontier with just one legion against six German tribes. Itâs a novel that is full of historical mistakes. For example, a real legion at that time would have had 1,000 men. His legion has 6,000. A lot of their kit is wrong. He didnât get the real externals right at all. And Iâm not 100% sure he even made much of an effort to get the internals right, beyond making his hero a pagan, and putting him in the tricky position of defending a Christian empire.
âA lot of fiction has used the ancient world to explore contemporary issues of sexualityâ
But what is so good about Wallace Breemâs Eagle in the Snow is the action sequences. He wrote really good battle scenes. And, although his main character may be a bit anachronistic, heâs interesting and conflicted. Heâs a man who is the archetype for all sorts of later heroes in historical fiction. Heâs a man going to do his duty even though he really, really doesnât want to.
I read it when I was a child and I loved it. It had a huge impact on me and turned me on to historical fiction. All these years later, I think it probably had even more of an influence on me than I realised, in that the portrait of the hero, Maximus in Eagle in the Snow, this man who is forced to be the hero when he doesnât want to be, might well, unconsciously, underpin quite a bit of my hero Ballista, who has featured in eight of my novels so far. Once youâve written a few novels, you look back on things and you have a different perspective. Now and then you think, âBlimey, so maybe thatâs where that came from, not my native, staggering genius!â
Thatâs a very good reason for picking the book. And is writing good action scenes as hard as writing good sex scenes?
I love writing action sequences. They do pose a huge technical challenge. I donât want to generalise for what every novelist does or should do, but what I do is I tend to plan out the action sequence very carefully. I choreograph it with maps and bits of cardboard, moving them around to make sure that the characters physically can see and hear what Iâm claiming they can see and hear. If itâs a hand-to-hand fight, thenâyes, Iâm a sad geekâI have replica swords, and I will actually check if it is physically possible to move from position A to position B in one fluid movement. But once youâve done all this very careful planning to make sure it works, I find it best to write it really quickly, to try and get some pace into the narrative.
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Sex scenes, on the other hand, are hideously difficult to write. I received criticism of my first novel Fire in the East that there wasnât enough sex in it, so in my second novel, King of Kings, I tried to put a couple of pretty adult, raunchy sex scenes in. My editorâs comment in the margin on the first one was just âErrr.â His comment on the second one was, âHarry, Iâm worried by your gathering obsession with writing Carry on Bonking scenes.â Youâre treading a fine line between writing pornography and toppling over into a Carry On comedy.
I didnât have any problem with my mother or any of my relatives or students reading them. Having said that, it is amazing how some readers assume that all sex scenes are ultimately autobiographical. Thereâs an element of âOh thatâs what you like to do!â No, itâs what an imaginary character Iâve made up would like to do! No one does the same with the violent scenes, assuming that I actually stalk the back streets of Oxford with a bladed weapon, looking to mutilate people.
There is something inherently voyeuristic about it. Itâs difficult to convey intimacy because, in the normal world, you wouldnât be watching it. So it always feels a bit like pornography.
Thatâs one of the differences between us nice, modern, Western, not-as-repressed-as-we-used-to-be in our Judaeo-Christian way people and the Romans. A Roman house was full of other people who werenât your family. Thereâs an awful lot of Roman art that shows a perfectly loving couple having sex on a bed and thereâs a servant happily standing by with the drinks. Itâs extraordinary to our way of thinking and, presumably, isnât just an artistic convention. It presumably did reflect their lives, that slaves were so unimportant you could have sex with your partner in front of them, and who cares what they think or if theyâre even thereâwhich is mind-blowing, really.
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