How was 2018 as a year for history books?
I wouldnāt say itās been a vintage year. You get cycles, and thereās been a fair amount of repetition. You still see a lot of periods overdone while some, like the seventeenth century, are barely reaching a mainstream audience. Thereās a lot of talk about global history and there has been some change with more Chinese history, more African history, but in terms of reaching a wider audience, I donāt think thereās been that much.
Thereās no shortage of specialist books, but what we look at hereāand itās one of the things we do with our prize, the Longman-History Today book prizeāare books that have real scholarly rigour, books that are really serious history, but are well-written and engaging enough that they can reach a wider audience. Thatās the Holy Grail, and there arenāt that many books this year that have done that.
There have been a few benchmark books in the last couple of years. Peter Frankopanās The Silk Roads was important: it sold a million copies globally, which is absolutely astonishing for a book of that nature and on that subject. You also see people like Mary Beard, Tom Holland and Bettany Hughes reach a wide audience. On the whole there havenāt been many of those kinds of books this year, with one or two exceptions, which we might talk about.
Yes, so which book do you want to start with, which of your choices do you think most fits the bill of that kind of book?
I suppose, when it comes down to it, there isnāt really anyone better than Diarmaid MacCulloch. He is someone who is capable of reaching that Holy Grail of serious scholarly material, but who can also communicate it to a wider audience. Heās done it several times before. He did his history ofĀ Christianity and a history of the Reformation. Both are major scholarly booksāsyntheses I supposeābut what I think heās absolutely brilliant at is the historical biography.
He did two that really won him followers. One was a biography of Thomas Cranmer, who was so important to both the religious and literary life of this country with his Book of Common Prayer. He was a complex, sometimes quite unlikable figure, but hugely important to this countryās history. Then he wrote what I regard as one of the best history books of the last few decades, which was his Tudor Church Militant. Itās about Edward VI who (at least in the popular view) had been seen as the bit that happens between Henry and Mary and Elizabeth.
What Diarmaid MacCulloch did was refocus on this brilliant intellectual child and his milieu, the people around him, whereby radical Protestantism came to Britain. We canāt really talk about Henry VIII as being a Protestant in any real sense. He remained pretty much a Catholic in terms of his beliefs, despite his battles with the Pope. Thatās not true of Edward, who was a militant Protestant and transformed the country in his very, very brief reign. It could never quite return to being the Catholic country it was during Henry VIIIās reign. Although you had the Marian reaction to that and then Elizabethās more pragmatic view of religion, those seeds had been sown and they would remain there for centuries. So that was a really important book.
Then the next thing he wrote was this greatly anticipated biography of Thomas Cromwell. Diarmaid MacCulloch was influenced by Geoffrey Elton, who wrote The Tudor Revolution in Government, which depicted Thomas Cromwell as this reformer and bureaucratic genius. Iām not sure if, when MacCulloch started writing the book, he was aware that Hilary Mantel was writing her novels. Suddenly, Thomas Cromwell became a figure that was widely known, perhaps more widely known than he has been for centuries, because of Mantelās fictionalization of him. So MacCullochās book couldnāt have been better timed, because we are now familiar, at least in part, with the story of Cromwell.
Now we have this scholarly but very accessible biography which will be the definitive life of Cromwell for many years to come. It has all the qualities that weāve come to expect from MacCulloch: itās rigorous in terms of its scholarship, but itās also beautifully written and it does, I think, make a change. It transforms the character of Cromwell from this brilliant bureaucrat we saw with Elton into a slightly shadowy figure. Cromwell is a person who is very real in his Protestant faith and conviction, but heās also given opportunities because of Henryās crises over succession and a male heir, his serial marriages and adulteries. He seems to navigate between the gaps.
Also, as Peter Cook said about David Frost, āhe rose without trace.ā He was quite lowbornāthe son of a yeoman who was a brewer and a tavern keeper in Putneyāalthough, because of the Wars of the Roses, a lot of the people who were part of the aristocracy were themselves new in that position. So this was a period when a bright young man could make an impact and take advantage of the flux and fracture and fragmentation that was still part of this world. And he was an absolutely brilliant linguist. He seems to have mastered several languages. He was an autodidact, but very well-travelled.
That seems to be part of the reason for his rapid riseāhis knowledge of Italy and Italian.
Yes, because Henry is dealing with the church in Rome. Heās also dealing with Francis I in France. England is very much part of Europe, of Catholic Christendom at this time. So itās extremely useful.
Cromwell rides on the back of Cardinal Wolsey, whom he is loyal to even when Wolsey meets the crisis that ends in his execution. What you see in this ārising without traceā is that people underestimate him. Heās rather cunning. I always think of the famous Holbein painting of Cromwell which is in the Frick Collection in New York. Heās facing a portrait of Thomas More across a fireplace. Heās Moreās nemesis, in a way. More looks very confident. Heās totally at home in the robes of state, whereas Cromwell looks slightly furtive, slightly anxious or even paranoid. Itās a brilliant study of the two men.
By the time Cromwell has risen, itās almost too late to do anything about him. Itās only when his son marries the queen, Jane Seymourās sister, and heās given a title, that suddenly the resentment really comes out. Then heās on quite slippery ground and it all goes horribly wrong between the death of Jane Seymour and the arrival of Anne of Cleves. Thatās a disaster for him and he ends up having the same fate as Wolsey, his mentor.
I saw Diarmaid MacCulloch at a talk at Blackwellās bookshop in Oxford the other day. He said that not many of the letters Cromwell wrote survive, which might also be why he seems a bit shadowy, because you donāt see what heās writtenāonly what others have written to him.
Itās a real problem. I think about half of the letters and correspondence are available in the National Archives, so considering what a letter-writer he was, thereās an enormous amount thatās missing. Itās a jigsaw puzzle, and Diarmaid MacCulloch acknowledges that fact and is very open about it.
āEven in death, he is loyal to the king.ā
Itās brilliant that it doesnāt appear to affect the book. Even though heās hamstrung in terms of the correspondence, probably the best thing about the entire book is the way he constructs the network Cromwell builds up. Cromwell has no official title for much of this period; he has no specific position someone can point to like chancellor or chief ministerāand yet he is able to build this network. This is where you see the genius of bureaucracy, the mastery of information. And, of course, heās also helped by the fact that weāre living through this period of flux. When the dissolution of the monasteries comes, he suddenly has this vast resource with which he can bribe, or pay people off, or convince doubters to be on his side, to support him and the king. Because heās also very loyal to Henry VIII. Thatās the other thing that you find: even in death, he is loyal to the king.
So on balance, after reading it, did you like him?
I think people in this period tend to choose between Thomas More and Thomas Cromwell, and Iāve always been sympathetic to Cromwell. There is something admirable about this working-class boy made good and one has to admire his skill.
Countering that, he doesnāt seem to be particularly well-liked. Take his relationship with Anne Boleyn, for example: he supports Anne because she is on the right religious side. She is an evangelical Protestant, like he is. Sheās part of that circle of young, modern people who seek to transform the country with these new ideas. But she doesnāt warm to him at all, and thereās something approximate to cruelty in the way he makes sure Anne is destroyed. I think itās always been there in the background, but thatās something that emerges from the book. Heās quite vengeful.
āThereās something approximate to cruelty in the way Cromwell makes sure Anne Boleyn is destroyedā
But that, again, might mirror the paranoia, the furtiveness, the fragility of his situation because heās a new man. Iād urge anyone whoās interested in Tudor history to read this book because it is magnificent. Like everything Diarmaid MacCulloch writes, itās beautifully written. Itās the third in a trilogy, in a sense, with Cranmer, Edward VI and now Thomas Cromwell.
Shall we talk about the opium book, Milk of Paradise, next? I think of the ones youāve chosen, itās probably the most readable.
Lucy Inglis is a brilliant writer. Weāve had quite a few books on a single subject, going back to Cod by Mark Kurlanksy. There have been many inferior versions of this method, where a person just takes a thing and then writes what is often quite a predictable history around it. Thatās absolutely not the case with this book.
This history of opium has two things which are really important in history at the moment: geographical and chronological depth. It goes right back to the Neolithic period where, in a place near Barcelona, there is some evidence of opium use. Itās unclear whether itās for medical or religious purposes or maybe a combination. She looks at opium in its various forms: poppy seeds, morphine and heroin and, in doing so, it becomes a genuinely global history.
What I found particularly interesting were the medical advances in the Arab world, with people like al-Razi and al-Kindi. She looks at its use as an anaesthetic and as an analgesic. It was actually used in Baghdad in the form of pills to treat, amongst other things, leprosy. Al-Kindi, who was an important physician in Basra, had a table whereby he could calculate the dosage, what quantities worked with different ailments and how much was dangerous and an overdose. That was extraordinary and I hadnāt read that before. It was also used as medicine during the plagues that affected Europe and Asia.
āShe looks at opium in its various forms: poppy seeds, morphine and heroin and, in doing so, it becomes a genuinely global history.ā
But then there was a shift. It was the Mughals who were among the first peopleāor at least the first people recordedāto use opium for pleasure. Thereās a Mughal emperor, Jahangir, who is basically incapable of doing anything after heās had his combination of opium and wine. So we start seeing opium addiction. Thereās a phrase she quotes: āThere is no Turk who would not buy opium with his last penny.ā
As far as Europe is concerned, the turning point seems to be in the mid-seventeenth century. Thatās when Thomas Sydenham creates laudanum, which becomes the means of taking opium for pleasure rather than medicinal purposes. Thereās still a medicinal element there, but now people are taking it for intoxication. You have things called āParegoricā and āDoverās Powder,ā which are ways of selling opium in a commercial form and people like Coleridge taking it.
In terms of modern heroin addiction, I was quite surprised to find it wasnāt until the 1940s, when there was concern about a heroin epidemic in Chicago. Thereās Charlie Parker and people who become addicted to it and it spreads through urban conurbations in the United States.
Itās still feeding into this rich cultural source with the Beat Generation. The most famous poetāif you want to call him thatāis William Burroughs in the Naked Lunch. Heās an addict right up to his death really, in his 80s, and he becomes this bard of heroin. Thereās a romanticization of heroināalbeit a gritty romanticizationāthat continues with the Keith Richards figure and heroin chic. Thatās perhaps abated in recent years, but was certainly there in the seventies and eighties.
I find the global aspect of the book very appealing. As she writes somewhere in the book, āopium knows no borders.ā It covers a huge periodā5,000 years. Apparently opium āwas one of mankindās earliest attempts at genetic engineering.āĀ I was going to add that if youāre going to follow a single commodity, opium is quite a rich subjectāit touches the history of the medical profession and syringes and the setting up of pharmaceutical companies. She takes you through everything, really, and how it all fits together.
Absolutely. Itās that thing of āonly connectā, and sheās just so good at making connections. Itās a very, very wide-ranging book and itās beautifully written. Despite the subject matter, you never feel overburdened by it. Itās always fascinating and sheās got a very good turn of phrase. Sheās one of the best. If only all historians could write like Lucy Inglis.
So as weāre on the global theme shall we talk about Iran next? This is Iran: Ā A Modern History by Abbas Amanat who is a professor at Yale. So this is looking at 500 years of Iranian history, so also quite ambitious in scope.
Itās an enormous book, in excess of 1,000 pages; I think we can call it a tome. Heās been working on it for 20 years at least and it reflects a lifetimeās learning: he is one of the leading scholars of Iran.
It begins in the sixteenth century when, after nearly a millennia of foreign rule, Iran re-emerges as a state with Shah Ismail I and the establishment of the Safavid dynasty. From the book, you get just how turbulent Iranās history has been. During this period, there were something like five dynasties, three revolutions, just as many civil wars and serialāif short-termāforeign occupations.
āIranās faith has this extraordinary culture underlying it that long predates Islamā
What I found very interesting is the central role of the Shiite faith and why Iran stands out so much in the Islamic world. Itās not just that itās a different culture and language, the Persian aspect of it. The Shiite faith is a more Cavalier faith, compared to the Roundhead, Sunni version that you find in, say, Saudi Arabia. The Sunni version is embedded in the austere world of the desert. Iranās faith, although we understand it as fundamentalist, has this extraordinary culture underlying it that long predates Islam. Thereās still a great pride in that Persian history. It acts as ballast for the stability of the country and unifies it, in a way, despite all the suffering.
The art, the architecture, the music are all very distinctive. You have the poetry of Saadi and Hafiz, which is very sensual. Itās this Persian love poetry and this intoxication. Thereās even the eulogizing of wine and Shiraz itself, the name of the grape, is in Iran. Itās contradictory.
You get this sense of Iranās distinctiveness compared with other leading lights of the Islamic world. Iran and Saudi Arabia couldnāt be more different, even though they both proclaim Islam. That, I think, is very pertinent to the current crises in the Middle East.
Often, Iran is presented to the West as a twentieth-century phenomenon. We see it through the prism of the Shah and the Revolution or the Mosaddeq coup or the Constitutional Revolution that happened in 1905. Those are important to know about, but we donāt usually see how the foundations are much, much richer, much, much deeper and much more contradictory and complex. If you understand the previous four centuries, Iranās twentieth century makes so much more sense. Thatās the real revelation of this book. I should say that the twentieth century is also told really wellāprobably around a third of the book is devoted to the twentieth century.
The book is a challenge. It requires a great deal of effortāitās not beach reading. And there are a few errors in the text, which I think are being cleared up for the next edition. They can be quite annoying. But itās a really invaluable survey. With the 40th anniversary of Revolution coming up, youād never get a better master class in understanding Iran.
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Iām just about old enough to remember seeing the Revolution happen. At the time, people knew it was important, but I donāt think any of us could see just how groundbreaking it would be. It was a return of radical Islam and this major player to the world stage. Iran has come to the forefront again. It has huge foreign power now, especially in the Middle East. It has played an integral role in whatās happened in Syria.
The telling of that deeper history makes you realize the strength of the culture. Because of that grounding, itās stress-tested, to a certain extent. It reminds me of Russia: if a country has a real sense of its past, a real sense of its identity, itās much more capable of suffering. To have survived an awful lot makes a country quite a formidable presence. Iran is probably in a better state now than it has been for quite a long while. Itās certainly very influential, and if you look at the diaspora as well, itās a remarkable culture. This book is definitely the best instruction you will get into itāin the English language, at least.
Perhaps Donald Trump should read it for a better understanding of Iran?
I think quite a few world leaders should read it. It is immensely valuable. At History Today, weāve had articles in the past that weāve run and weāve concentrated on the twentieth century. But this really gives you a much deeper view of Iran and explains a great deal about the country and its culture.
One of the things he mentions is that Iran was one of the few non-Western countries that preserved its sovereignty in the age of high imperialism, so it was quite robust at that point.
Yes, what it conveys is just how robust that culture is, which is what makes it so formidable.
Letās talk about your next book, which is about female spies. Itās called Invisible Agents: Women and Espionage in Seventeenth Century Britain and itās by Nadine Akkerman.
I read this as much out of duty as pleasure because this is my period, the mid-seventeenth century, the Civil Wars, the Protectorate. I probably would say this, but this is one of the most important periods in English and indeed British history and itās not very well known by the wider public. Iāve wondered why thatās the case because it has such extraordinary characters.
A theory Iāve always had is that one of the reasons why the mid-seventeenth century is not popular among readers is the absence of women in major roles. In Tudor times, with Henry VIII, you have Anne Boleyn, Catherine of Aragon, Mary and Elizabeth. There are prominent female figures, whereas during the seventeenth century, with Charles and Cromwell, men dominate. Thereās an absence of strong women, at least to the layperson. What Nadine Akkerman does is concentrate on these invisible women. Thatās why itās such a good titleābecause women are so invisible in this period in the public sphere. Men literally couldnāt imagine that women were capable of being spies or intelligencers.
There are some great stories in the book. Thereās one about Alexandrine, Countess of Taxis. She has a house in Brussels, and a Stuart agent whoās there is having his letters intercepted. He talks to her and says something like, āWho is doing this? It couldnāt be you, because of your honesty, your dignity and your sex. You just wouldnāt be capable of doing it.ā
But Alexandrine has this commercial network and sheāll sell this stuff to the highest bidder. Sheāll sell to Catholics; sheāll sell to Protestants. She has no real loyalty to anyone. Itās very amusing. Itās a classic lesson in what so many historians have overlookedāwhich is not just what historians have overlooked, itās what people at the time overlooked as well.
This world is a little bit like the world of Thomas Cromwell. Itās quite fragmented. Itās a place where you can step through the cracks. There are some great details in the book about spying in general. Weāve tended to concentrate in the popular imagination on spies in the Elizabethan world, but in the period of the Civil Wars, thereās some great stuff. The book talks about Oxford, which is Charlesās capital at the time. The parliamentarians would put little pieces of paper in holes and theyād be picked up by āgardenersā, brought back and left in a ditch just outside the city where theyād be picked up. The book is very good on tiny, fascinating details, and also at conveying the high stakes. Being a spy was incredibly dangerous.
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Thereās one particularly gruelling episode recounted by Akkerman which begins with a man called Anthony Hinton. Hinton is a member of the Sealed Knot, a clandestine organizationālargely incompetent, it should be saidāthat tries to build a network of resistance to Cromwellian rule and the Protectorate.
Itās not very good at this: many of its people are louche, drunken or just not very able figures. Anthony Hinton is arrested for carrying correspondence from Susan Hyde, who is quite highly placed within the circle. Eventually, at the Restoration, her brother, Sir Edward Hyde, becomes the chief minister of Charles II. SheāsĀ investigated and although itās claimed that thereās no torture during the Cromwellian periodāwhich I think is rightāitās nevertheless a very brutal episode. She is stripped; sheās interrogated; she has an almost complete mental breakdown. Sheās left catatonic. Itās an appalling experience, and she dies a week later.
Although one of the things she points out is that women quite often get off scot-free because nobody can believe that they are spies.
Yes, itās safer than it is for the men. The example with Susan Hyde is atypical in terms of brutality towards a female spy. Coming back to the title, āinvisible agents,ā it simply wasnāt thought that women were capable of doing this, though they were at it all the time.
Itās quite a scholarly work. Perhaps more could have been done to give it a narrative thrust, but itās so revelatory in terms of scholarship that itās worth persisting. Maybe now this groundbreaking work has been done, others will carry on.
You were saying this is your period, and people arenāt generally that familiar with it. If somebody were looking for a popular history or introduction to it, what would you recommend?
Thereās a small book by Blair Worden called The English Civil Wars which is quite good. But if you just concentrate on the Civil Wars, you donāt see how we got there and you donāt see what the consequences are. So the best book if you really want to understand this period, I would say, is probably by Austin Woolrych. Itās called Britain in Revolution. Itās a well-written, really brilliant overview of the whole period. It explains how it began. Itās a very good chronological narrative of the war. You also get the idea of the Cromwellian Settlement and the problems there were and why the Restoration happened.
Itās also quite good on the idea of ārevolutionā because it has two meanings, really. We tend to think of it in the modern sense: a revolution being a break with the past. Whereas to the seventeenth-century mind, a revolution was a restoration. It is literally the revolution of a wheel.
āWe tend to think of ārevolutionā in the modern sense: a revolution being a break with the past. Whereas to the seventeenth-century mind, a revolution was a restoration.ā
So is it a revolution that happens when Cromwell comes to power? Itās very difficult to argue that itās a revolution in the modern senseālike the French Revolutionābecause itās so imbued with religion. Or is it a revolution when Charles II comes back? I suppose you do have a turning of the wheel, but itās never quite the same again. The king never has the power that Charles I was trying to find in his personal rule.
The other thing that is misunderstood about the Civil Wars is that we tend to view Charles as the reactionary and Parliament as the radical, progressive force. Actually, I think itās the other way round. Itās Charles whoās trying to build something new, because heās seen European absolutism and wants to build that kind of absolute monarchy in England. That was a modern thing. Itās the Parliamentarians who want to return to what they constantly call āthe ancient constitutionā; the Levellers want to get rid of āthe Norman yoke.ā Itās much more ambiguous than we tend to think, from our twenty-first-century perspective.
Last on your list is Power, Pleasure and Profit by David Wootton. Tell me about this book.
This is by far the most challenging book on my list. David Wootton is one of the best intellectual historians weāve got. He began as a historian of atheism, writing a brilliant short book about Paolo Sarpi, who was a Venetian humanist. Rather like England, Venice had an ambivalent relationship with the Pope. It was excommunicated in a papal interdict at the beginning of the seventeenth century and Sarpi became an apologist for the Venetian state.
Davidās real breakthrough book, in terms of reaching a wider audience, was called The Invention of Science: A New History of the Scientific Revolution, which is full of bravura writing and interesting detours that heās particularly good at. There is an entire chapter on āthe fact.ā
This book, Power, Pleasure and Profit, is incredibly ambitious because it tries to address a change in humanity during the Enlightenment, when the secular is emboldened. People in the West turned their backs on Aristotle and Christāwho had underpinned rationality and morality up until thenāand started to think in a Benthamite, utilitarian way about cost and benefit.
So you have people like Hobbes, Locke, and Voltaire who are interested in the selfish motives of human beings and the way in which you can build an infrastructure around those selfish motives that makes them beneficial. Itās an interesting book because the Enlightenment has become fashionable againāIām thinking of Steven Pinker, and even Jordan Peterson.
But, in a sense, itās life reduced. Pleasure is good and pain is bad. The old morality, where something was worthwhile in itself, is replaced by, āDoes this hurt? Then itās bad. Does this feel good? Then itās good.ā Itās a very reductionist mentality. Thereās one passage where he writes, āThe real transformation was not in the world of ideas; it was in the lives and behaviour of people who had come to accept that virtue, honour, shame and guilt counted for almost nothing; all that mattered was success.ā
That has a very modern aspect, but in this profit and loss calculation it also seems like weāve lost something. I think about this in terms of Brexit where, for many people, if you tell them theyāll lose something economically, they still think itās worth it. It goes back to what we were saying about Iran, that a culture thatās very, very strong and deep is incredibly resistant, it can endure, it can overcome. Whereas I think Wootton is arguing that this culture of profits and losses is very, very fragile because itās not really built on anything. Itās not built on the idea that some things are worth doing just because theyāre worth doing or someone is good because theyāre good. Thereās always got to be a reason.
The book is very much concerned with Britain and the Scottish Enlightenment. People likeĀ Adam Smith in particular are important to it. I donāt think David has looked at the Continental tradition, which tends to be more metaphysical. If you think of people like Kant or Marx, their writing tends to have, for want of a better word, a more religious, deeper meaning. Even Voltaire, who Wootton does refer to, is an Anglophile really. Heās one of the citizens of nowhere. David talks about that quite a lotāthe citizens of somewhere. Why would people vote for Brexit? Why would people vote for Trump? They must be irrational, they must be badāwhereas there may be deeper reasons that are almost, I wouldnāt say spiritual, but just not simply a profit-and-loss calculation. Thatās whatāI thinkā David is exploring in this book.
Of course, he goes on endless digressions, as David always does. In themselves, theyāre fantastically entertaining. Thereās an interesting character called Kenelm Digby who links a lot of things together because heās there in the mid-seventeenth-century. Heās a Catholic acquaintance of Oliver Cromwell, a key member of the Royal Society, and the inventor of the modern wine bottle. So heās quite an eclectic figure. But the main people are Hobbes, Locke, Voltaire, Adam Smith, those Enlightenment philosophers.
David always takes you on a ride. You read it once and youāve probably understood 5-10 per cent of it, but you reread it and go back to certain passages. The book is based on a series of lectures he gave at Oxford. Thereās things where you think, āOh yes, thatās absolutely rightāāreal epiphaniesāand then youāll see something and go, āHang on, that canāt be true. Thatās mad.ā Itās just so full of ideas. Itās always stimulating and itās always well worth persisting with David.
Are you convinced by the argument he puts forward?
I think his diagnosis is convincing, with the caveat that heās largely writing about an Anglophile tradition. The cure, I donāt know. There does seem to be a reaction against that simple economic rationalism weāve had for about 30 years or so, whereby money is everything and as long as GDP keeps going up and peopleās wages keep going up, that will be enough. It doesnāt feel that way at the moment, as though that is enough. Heās examining a profound shift then in the light of a profound shift now, and so the book feels very, very timely. The problem is we know where they went, but we donāt know where weāre going. So itās difficult, but it might be useful for navigating the present. Not that history ever repeats itself.
Interview by Sophie Roell, Editor
December 19, 2018. Updated: January 14, 2024
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